Investec boss Hendrik du Toit is one of the few people to have been in his job since Citywire was founded 20 years ago by Lawrence Lever.
In this video to mark Citywire's 20-year anniversary, the pair compare journeys.
du Toit notes that while 'great gusto' is needed, one should never lose sight of the direction of a business. He goes on to reveal some of the lessons he has learned over the last two decades.
He also discusses how he has got better at managing the 'jerk factor', describing this as the 'major inhibitor' of value creation.